Big f@@k off mosque!!!

[amymars]

amy dont say nothing like that. the cyber police will come and get you. Im sure they can let a pedo out of prison to make room for someone making comments like that

why whats the matter with it?

 

[amymars]

maybe i should re-phrase

I'd like to do something to stop all the walking on egg shells to keep people happy. I'd really love to see how a seminar taker would act if I said that Britain was going to fall to Kilroy by fake tan or by the rifle.....

 

[seandelier]

This example to me speaks volumes... for all talk of 'moderate Muslims' (of which I am sure there are many) who just want to practice their chosen religion in peace (as is their absolute right to) there is a significant percentage of Muslims who seek to forcibly impose Muslim values & beliefs on others, with little or no respect for other peoples beliefs & values, or 'face the consequences'... in essence to try & take over the UK from within.

There is NO other religion I can think of that acts like this & then spits their collective kosher dummies out when / if our govt does not appease them by bending over backwards to accomodate. No religion.

a significant percentage of "young" male muslims who have been led astray at university and by joining a "few" mosques where extreme islam is preached does not a religion make

these extremists or fundamentalists live in this democracy and as such are free to believe what they want, they are completely wrong to try and force it on others

the normal british muslim who is proud to be here and works long hours in their business and worships in peace and does not twist the words of the koran to help justify their twisted logic, are completely and utterly ignored in these debates

wanting to build a mosque to worship in does not mean they are trying to force anything on us, yet again the whole point of the post degenerates into generalisations

does the catholic church not try and impose its morals on us? to me it is one of the most evil faiths there has ever been, also how did this country become c of e? was it a fair and peaceful transition with no argy bargy?

remember students are young kids really and easily led astray especially in the climate that pervades in this country at the moment, we are only fueling their fire and making it worse

if we cannot get england to accept the fucking euro how will we ever get it to accept islam

 

[Shooms]

the normal british muslim who is proud to be here and works long hours in their business and worships in peace and does not twist the words of the koran to help justify their twisted logic, are completely and utterly ignored in these debates

I have gone to great lengths to include them in my posts mate... or perhaps you'd like me to double the font size when I do ?

 

[seandelier]

exactly, and as soon as Muslim Arabs are out of their airspace they seem to love a good piss up too as my father tells me is the frequent case on flights in and out of Dubai.

same as a lot of folks (brits) going to amsterdam for good stuff

ps. not "all" muslims, again you are generalising and sterotyping the majority by using examples of the minority

 

[amymars]

remember students are young kids really and easily led astray especially in the climate that pervades in this country at the moment, we are only fueling their fire and making it worse

)

Some of the brainwashing which goes on is shocking. Little children in foreign countries burning flags, shouting death to the UK and stuff is what worries me. Its so dangerous. These kids are going to be the future leaders of these places Thank f**k it isn't happening like that here just yet.

 

[seandelier]

I have gone to great lengths to include them in my posts mate... or perhaps you'd like me to double the font size when I do ?

easy tiger i am not picking on you here, i can read your posts and can see where you are coming from, it is some of the more "anti" sentiment posts i am meaning

 

[Shooms]

does the catholic church not try and impose its morals on us? to me it is one of the most evil faiths there has ever been, also how did this country become c of e? was it a fair and peaceful transition with no argy bargy?

I agree Catholicism is evil mate... as per post on the front page of this thread... however it's been a long long time since they've kicked off (Ireland aside... & that was more about a unified Ireland than a religious thing).

The C of E was 500 years ago...

We are talking about here & now...

Here & now there is NO other religion that I can see that is as vitriolic, hate filled & unforgiving of other belief systems / values.

 

[amymars]

same as a lot of folks (brits) going to amsterdam for good stuff

ps. not "all" muslims, again you are generalising and sterotyping the majority by using examples of the minority

ah yeah but the majority of brits aren't avoiding weed or prostitutes because they pretend to believe in God........they'd do it if it was legal. Im not so sure Muslims would drink on their home turf even if it was legal, for fear of looking like massive hypocrits.

But in response to the generalising. Like I said, most of them have lived up to the stereotypes for me....so I feel as if I can continute to generalise without feeling guilty.

 

[Shooms]

if we cannot get england to accept the fucking euro how will we ever get it to accept islam

Back off Brusselles

Al Murray is a modern day hero

 

[Amelie]

Some of the brainwashing which goes on is shocking. Little children in foreign countries burning flags, shouting death to the UK and stuff is what worries me. Its so dangerous. These kids are going to be the future leaders of these places Thank f**k it isn't happening like that here just yet.

But was Grouch not an example of this happening here already? Same mentality, diff country. I doubt Grouch is on his own, sometimes what we are not show is far worse than what we are. As i said this much hatred regrdless of who is saying it can only be bad news.

 

[seandelier]

Here & now there is NO other religion that I can see that is as vitriolic, hate filled & unforgiving of other belief systems / values.

i agree, but not the majority and unfortunately it is only the actions of the minority who act like this that seem to get reported, especially in the last 5 years

remember when we went into the balkans to help the muslims, we didnt have this shit then like it is now

following george bush has not helped us in this respect

 

[seandelier]

Back off Brusselles

Al Murray is a modern day hero

true, but he is just not very funny is he?

 

[amymars]

But was Grouch not an example of this happening here already? Same mentality, diff country. I doubt Grouch is on his own, sometimes what we are show is far worse than what we are. As i said this much hatred regrdless of who is saying it can only be bad news.

Im just wondering....that Grouch fella....do you think he was a wind up merchant or a kid or what???? I couldn't tell.


But yes I know where you're coming from. The only saving grace about being in this country is that most of our standard education teaches about different cultures, tolerance, etc etc. From what I've seen heard and read about some Muslim countries, they literally teach war. And war without justification.....pure war and hatred of the west. Those kids have no chance...whereas I tend to feel somebody in this country might have more of a chance to learn.

 

[Amelie]

ah yeah but the majority of brits aren't avoiding weed or prostitutes because they pretend to believe in God........they'd do it if it was legal. Im not so sure Muslims would drink on their home turf even if it was legal, for fear of looking like massive hypocrits.

But in response to the generalising. Like I said, most of them have lived up to the stereotypes for me....so I feel as if I can continute to generalise without feeling guilty.

You have not met 'most' though. You mean the ones you have come across. Your opinion will always be biased anyhew, as you have already formed quite a negative one before they have acted in a stereotypical way, which will impair clear judgement. We all do it.

No one is suggesting you should feel guilty, but buy generalising you place all in one homogenous group- in your case Muslims. When this happens we stop viewing poeple as individuals and treating them equally, but as nothing more than a characature of our own expectations of that grouping. You don't know if most start drinking at all when they get on a plane, you know that a few do- that is all. From this you make sweeping statements and generalisations.

 

[Jiglo]

This is probably the longest debate ever on here

 

[amymars]

You don't know if most start drinking at all when they get on a plane, you know that a few do- that is all. From this you make sweeping statements and generalisations.

Its true and I admit it.....but as I've said.....I've yet to be shown anything which makes me want to give that religion any respect, and thats probably a shame.

 

[seandelier]

ah yeah but the majority of brits aren't avoiding weed or prostitutes because they pretend to believe in God........they'd do it if it was legal. Im not so sure Muslims would drink on their home turf even if it was legal, for fear of looking like massive hypocrits.

But in response to the generalising. Like I said, most of them have lived up to the stereotypes for me....so I feel as if I can continute to generalise without feeling guilty.

they do not drink because in most of the countries that they do not, it is illegal, a lot of muslims drink alchohol, they are not being the best muslim they can be but a lot of the ones from saudi will not drink on fear of severe punishments not because they are strict muslims

again you are getting mixed up with sharia law, saudi, and muslim countries in general, not all muslim countries are dry countries

a muslim on my course who is a turkish american is on the piss every night but one so far and he is the same at home

most of the ones you meet in uni and around manc land?

how about the ones who actually live abroad in these muslim countries? have you ever been to any or spoke to any?

i have, loads, and find most of them to be very friendly and warm people, nothing like the idiots across here who preach the hatred

they are embarrassed by it, the iraqi people in general are one of the nicest peoples you could meet from that region, and that seems ridiculous when you see the mess they are in now

although we have a quite large muslim community up here in scotland it is strange we do not seem to have the same problems that you have down in england especially around the region you live in? why is that?

even when the BNP tit griffin was up trying to stir it up it did not kick off

is it the muslims or is it the whole community?

there must be a reason for this difference?

 

[Amelie]

Its true and I admit it.....but as I've said.....I've yet to be shown anything which makes me want to give that religion any respect, and thats probably a shame.

When all said and done, and has already been stated- there really are wankers from all walks of life. You can choose to always see that bad shite in certain ones, or you can just treat everyone the same till they give you reason to think otherwise.

 

[amymars]

although we have a quite large muslim community up here in scotland it is strange we do not seem to have the same problems that you have down in england especially around the region you live in? why is that?

even when the BNP tit griffin was up trying to stir it up it did not kick off

is it the muslims or is it the whole community?

there must be a reason for this difference?

Its probably due to the nature in which they came here. The government invited them, much to the dislike of many older people in the north west. Many of the first immigrants to arrive here are very very very patriotic and loyal to the UK. Its the generation of young Muslims who are a similar age to myself who are the problem......they hate everything people like me stand for......why? I really don't understand.