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<blockquote data-quote="Elev8/Levit8" data-source="post: 553104" data-attributes="member: 5744"><p>Agree with everything you've said...</p><p></p><p>All the things you've described though bear no relation to 'christmas' at all really, or to any particular day of the year... There's nothing actually stopping families exchanging prezzies or getting together at any time. Maybe people don't do it, but they could if they wanted to... December 25th is just an arbitrary excuse, which is not in itself a bad thing it's just not necessary... We shouldn't need an excuse to spend time with families etc... The fact that there's this date on the calendar which we all plan all this stuff around just means that for every person who wants to do it, there'll be someone else who doesn't... And a lot of people just make a token effort because they're too lazy to bother the rest of the year... This stands out a mile, and I personally would rather such people just didn't bother because I can't bear people being fake in that way.</p><p></p><p>I find it hard to believe that you don't ever buy presents for those you don't want to... I mean we've all got the "But if I buy for soanso then I've also gotta buy for soanso" type of sheet in our families & circle of friends & partners' friends etc... </p><p>Everyone has the "oh but if we go round there we'll have to take them summat have we got a box of Qually Street in the cupboard?" conversations...</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong... I'm not mean-spirited or owt, I'd give someone I've only known 5 minutes me last tenner & the shirt off me back... It's not the giving I resent, it's the whole thing about that one date... Why do we have to do all this for December 25th? It just has no relevance for me whatsoever. Why not June 4th? We just don't need to put a date on it... Especially now that the Christian meaning around the date is so irrelevant to most people.</p><p></p><p>Plus there's the whole commercial argument... The fact that if there was no Xmas there's be no January sales... I'll never accept that some retailers aren't utterly cynical when it comes to stocks & pricing in the run up to Xmas... Of course they are... I'm not saying it's all a big scam, but these organisations know exactly what they're doing, it's all premeditated & calculated to generate maximum revenue.</p><p></p><p>I love chilling at home & eating too much too (who doesn't lol) but i don't wanna have to do it on a certain irrelevant date just because everyone else does... I might wanna do it in June, or April... I know I'm free to do that, but you must see my point... There's immense pressure on people at Xmas to conform to a certain set of rules about what you do & who with. I just don't agree with rules like those unless there's a point or purpose to them.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, I have to say 2 things...</p><p>Firstly, I do completely accept your point about Xmas and children. It is magical being around them at Xmas time, of course it is. I'm not some childcatcher-type cartoon baddie who wants to ruin all that, far from it... I just think kids are magical 365 days a year and parents/friends/families should appreciate them just as much on each of those days, not just on a certain day because "that's the way we always have done it".</p><p></p><p>Finally, the anal sex question (tis better to give than to recieve). This I also completely accept. I love giving presents. From the stupid & meaningless to the completely extravagant, given out of the blue for no reason whatsoever... To give presents & not recieve a single one in return would make me happiest of all (i hate the attention when ppl give you gifts, but that's a personal thing). Again my point isn't that we shouldn't give prezzies, it's just that we should give prezzies on any day of the year, and for any reason or better still for no reason at all...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elev8/Levit8, post: 553104, member: 5744"] Agree with everything you've said... All the things you've described though bear no relation to 'christmas' at all really, or to any particular day of the year... There's nothing actually stopping families exchanging prezzies or getting together at any time. Maybe people don't do it, but they could if they wanted to... December 25th is just an arbitrary excuse, which is not in itself a bad thing it's just not necessary... We shouldn't need an excuse to spend time with families etc... The fact that there's this date on the calendar which we all plan all this stuff around just means that for every person who wants to do it, there'll be someone else who doesn't... And a lot of people just make a token effort because they're too lazy to bother the rest of the year... This stands out a mile, and I personally would rather such people just didn't bother because I can't bear people being fake in that way. I find it hard to believe that you don't ever buy presents for those you don't want to... I mean we've all got the "But if I buy for soanso then I've also gotta buy for soanso" type of sheet in our families & circle of friends & partners' friends etc... Everyone has the "oh but if we go round there we'll have to take them summat have we got a box of Qually Street in the cupboard?" conversations... Don't get me wrong... I'm not mean-spirited or owt, I'd give someone I've only known 5 minutes me last tenner & the shirt off me back... It's not the giving I resent, it's the whole thing about that one date... Why do we have to do all this for December 25th? It just has no relevance for me whatsoever. Why not June 4th? We just don't need to put a date on it... Especially now that the Christian meaning around the date is so irrelevant to most people. Plus there's the whole commercial argument... The fact that if there was no Xmas there's be no January sales... I'll never accept that some retailers aren't utterly cynical when it comes to stocks & pricing in the run up to Xmas... Of course they are... I'm not saying it's all a big scam, but these organisations know exactly what they're doing, it's all premeditated & calculated to generate maximum revenue. I love chilling at home & eating too much too (who doesn't lol) but i don't wanna have to do it on a certain irrelevant date just because everyone else does... I might wanna do it in June, or April... I know I'm free to do that, but you must see my point... There's immense pressure on people at Xmas to conform to a certain set of rules about what you do & who with. I just don't agree with rules like those unless there's a point or purpose to them. Lastly, I have to say 2 things... Firstly, I do completely accept your point about Xmas and children. It is magical being around them at Xmas time, of course it is. I'm not some childcatcher-type cartoon baddie who wants to ruin all that, far from it... I just think kids are magical 365 days a year and parents/friends/families should appreciate them just as much on each of those days, not just on a certain day because "that's the way we always have done it". Finally, the anal sex question (tis better to give than to recieve). This I also completely accept. I love giving presents. From the stupid & meaningless to the completely extravagant, given out of the blue for no reason whatsoever... To give presents & not recieve a single one in return would make me happiest of all (i hate the attention when ppl give you gifts, but that's a personal thing). Again my point isn't that we shouldn't give prezzies, it's just that we should give prezzies on any day of the year, and for any reason or better still for no reason at all... [/QUOTE]
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