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<blockquote data-quote="sirius" data-source="post: 510913" data-attributes="member: 258"><p>Sounds like I would get along well with your dad <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/classics/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="zrofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" />. </p><p></p><p>Seriously though, I disagree with you here. To have English staff, or indeed British staff with a clear spoken English language who can understand what youre saying in such a job isnt 'racist'. 'Racist' has to be the most over used word known to mankind in this country. To say that you wish that these telesales type jobs were in this country, which avoids this problem for the most part, or wish that its staff were more accustomed to our language and dialect isnt a 'racist' thing, its perhaps simple common sense, common sense thats thrown out the water cos of the spondulix of corporate greed and people forced into thinking its 'racist' to suggest it should be otherwise. Racist? I dont think anybody in here knows about issues of racism or what its about.</p><p></p><p>Ive gone opposite to my parents, things which Ive discovered about what I value are nowhere to be seen in my parents, and certainly not due to thier influence growing up. Both are/were Labour supporters, never outrightly said a critical word of asians in the town, which believe me, can often takes some doing at times. I, on the other hand have gone totally opposite. </p><p></p><p>My dad doesnt really feel too comfortable with the idea of gays. He is/was a practicing Christian, and perhaps he see's it wrong for people to be so blase about homosexuality and people thrusting it as something to be overtly proud of. I, on the other hand, again go the other way, and think that its not really an issue aslong as its kept quite 'normal' and not held as a role model to aspire to, promoted, celebrated and thrust at you. (Sorry). Dont condemn it, but dont promote it either. </p><p>Two gay women or men, whatever, fine, but theres no need for parading around with zips on the ass of your jeans (yes, Ive seen it), and camping it up to excess, and banging on about 'gay rights', having gay celebration days and whatever. Just get on with it, simple, its not 'special'.</p><p></p><p>Therefore, its not a case of being 'around' people.......sure, you get perhaps more subdued about it, but the notions and principles are still there whether you are surrounded by gays or asians or africans or whatever. Being 'used to it' doesnt mean its RIGHT. Being used to living in a high crime area doesnt make that right, being used to living in a society of paedo's doent make that right even though it was all around you and youve seen 40 year olds kissing 8 year olds in the shopping center all your life. </p><p>This individualism of 'knowing' somebody who is asian or gay (or selective immediate wider society) and thus applying your whole mentallity on that somewhat tunnel vision isnt really viable. It serves the purpose of making people feel more guilty for things which they shouldnt necessarily feel guilty about, cos they are told its wrong, supressing it, suppressing thought, and hence become more under the thumb, being so sure to prove you arent a 'whatever' label that you expouse to everybody else on your moral highground on the whole topic. </p><p></p><p>I could work with gays all day long and still find them irritating, I could have friends who are asian and still want to stop immigration for race and culture reasons, even deport people! lol. If you believe in something, you should stand by it and assess a general situation, not a one to one basis account. My mate says 'well, if nobody does owt to me, I dont care'......but what sort of an attitude is that? Its on the one hand commendable, taking people as they are, but on the other hand, he is prepared to let things potentially go to hell, or allow society to change simply because it wont affect him personally - sod the future, sod anybody else.</p><p></p><p>There is a balance there to be found, and people should stop being so scared to speak up, whether you dont agree with gay adoptions, or somalian migrant workers, or whatever the topic, just cos its deemed as 'homophobic', 'racist' or whatever. To have an opinion on gays which isnt all bad but not necessarily all praising doesnt make you a nasty 'homophobic'. Its like people are in a vacuum of debate in this country.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyhow, thats something for you to get your teeth into and rip me to shreds about lol. Kinky <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> . hahahaha.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sirius.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sirius, post: 510913, member: 258"] Sounds like I would get along well with your dad :rofl:. Seriously though, I disagree with you here. To have English staff, or indeed British staff with a clear spoken English language who can understand what youre saying in such a job isnt 'racist'. 'Racist' has to be the most over used word known to mankind in this country. To say that you wish that these telesales type jobs were in this country, which avoids this problem for the most part, or wish that its staff were more accustomed to our language and dialect isnt a 'racist' thing, its perhaps simple common sense, common sense thats thrown out the water cos of the spondulix of corporate greed and people forced into thinking its 'racist' to suggest it should be otherwise. Racist? I dont think anybody in here knows about issues of racism or what its about. Ive gone opposite to my parents, things which Ive discovered about what I value are nowhere to be seen in my parents, and certainly not due to thier influence growing up. Both are/were Labour supporters, never outrightly said a critical word of asians in the town, which believe me, can often takes some doing at times. I, on the other hand have gone totally opposite. My dad doesnt really feel too comfortable with the idea of gays. He is/was a practicing Christian, and perhaps he see's it wrong for people to be so blase about homosexuality and people thrusting it as something to be overtly proud of. I, on the other hand, again go the other way, and think that its not really an issue aslong as its kept quite 'normal' and not held as a role model to aspire to, promoted, celebrated and thrust at you. (Sorry). Dont condemn it, but dont promote it either. Two gay women or men, whatever, fine, but theres no need for parading around with zips on the ass of your jeans (yes, Ive seen it), and camping it up to excess, and banging on about 'gay rights', having gay celebration days and whatever. Just get on with it, simple, its not 'special'. Therefore, its not a case of being 'around' people.......sure, you get perhaps more subdued about it, but the notions and principles are still there whether you are surrounded by gays or asians or africans or whatever. Being 'used to it' doesnt mean its RIGHT. Being used to living in a high crime area doesnt make that right, being used to living in a society of paedo's doent make that right even though it was all around you and youve seen 40 year olds kissing 8 year olds in the shopping center all your life. This individualism of 'knowing' somebody who is asian or gay (or selective immediate wider society) and thus applying your whole mentallity on that somewhat tunnel vision isnt really viable. It serves the purpose of making people feel more guilty for things which they shouldnt necessarily feel guilty about, cos they are told its wrong, supressing it, suppressing thought, and hence become more under the thumb, being so sure to prove you arent a 'whatever' label that you expouse to everybody else on your moral highground on the whole topic. I could work with gays all day long and still find them irritating, I could have friends who are asian and still want to stop immigration for race and culture reasons, even deport people! lol. If you believe in something, you should stand by it and assess a general situation, not a one to one basis account. My mate says 'well, if nobody does owt to me, I dont care'......but what sort of an attitude is that? Its on the one hand commendable, taking people as they are, but on the other hand, he is prepared to let things potentially go to hell, or allow society to change simply because it wont affect him personally - sod the future, sod anybody else. There is a balance there to be found, and people should stop being so scared to speak up, whether you dont agree with gay adoptions, or somalian migrant workers, or whatever the topic, just cos its deemed as 'homophobic', 'racist' or whatever. To have an opinion on gays which isnt all bad but not necessarily all praising doesnt make you a nasty 'homophobic'. Its like people are in a vacuum of debate in this country. Anyhow, thats something for you to get your teeth into and rip me to shreds about lol. Kinky :P . hahahaha. Sirius. [/QUOTE]
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