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Back in the day, i never liked hardcore. It was far too fast, chipmunk vocals, and just generally irritating. And yet over the last few years i've come to realise that i actually love a lot of the stuff that was getting put out in the early 90's. So much so that i've spent a fair few quid on some of my most wanted tracks (Orcas Dances with Dolphins EP#2 and Neuromancers Pennywise, to name a couple).

The thing is, i've finally realised that so many DJ's were playing these tunes speeded up that i never got the chance to appreciate this music as it truly was. I still get irritated hearing old mixes playing great hardcore tunes at +6 when they sound great at their normal speed or (sacrilege) even slower. I've even play Darkman's Strings of Darkness at a hideously slow speed, which for me makes a fantastic house/breaks tune, in a mix i did a while back.

So what's your opinion? The faster the better? I can't be the only one that appreciates hardcore not running at 1 million miles an hour
 
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i'm feelin' what you're saying the spaceface. Many tracks not just hardcore ones from years ago sound shit e when played anything above +2% on yer Technics. This is because anything above that changes the key and as most hardcore tunes had a few different keys in them because they were thrown together sorta fucked em up even more. Maybe im just a fussy Caaaaaaant hahahaha, but you get the gist of what im saying.
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Used to be an attitude thing here in the SE! The harder and fast the set the better in many peoples eyes, this still applies today. A lot of the mainstream hardcore tracks, moving shadow etc get massively overplayed Ratpack stylie however some of the best tracks are the underground small label releases. I would also say the best year of the genre is 1991 or 1990 when the sound was new and exciting releases were coming out. 1992 onwards, money took over and many records sound the same.......some are very good but too many acen like releases.

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OldskoolDazed (al) said:
try steer away from anthemz
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siman91 said:
overplayed Ratpack stylie ... too many acen like releases
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The thing with not having been into hardcore back in the day is that i really have no idea what are regarded as anthems, or overplayed and boring. Well, apart from the crossover stuff that got played by everyone. I went from italo & bleepy down the prog house route. That must still be an influence since i still prefer hardcore tracks with floaty (ie Pennywise) or piano (ie Orca) elements, but at the moment i dont really have any prejudices for any tracks yet. Well, apart from chipmonk vocals, i dont really get how anyone can be into that...

Anyway, its pretty annoying cause of all genres from back in the day, so many of the really good hardcore vinyls cost a bloody fortune now. I wish i'd appreciated them 20 years ago!
 
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spaceface said:
Back in the day, i never liked hardcore. It was far too fast, chipmunk vocals, and just generally irritating. And yet over the last few years i've come to realise that i actually love a lot of the stuff that was getting put out in the early 90's. So much so that i've spent a fair few quid on some of my most wanted tracks (Orcas Dances with Dolphins EP#2 and Neuromancers Pennywise, to name a couple).

The thing is, i've finally realised that so many DJ's were playing these tunes speeded up that i never got the chance to appreciate this music as it truly was. I still get irritated hearing old mixes playing great hardcore tunes at +6 when they sound great at their normal speed or (sacrilege) even slower. I've even play Darkman's Strings of Darkness at a hideously slow speed, which for me makes a fantastic house/breaks tune, in a mix i did a while back.

So what's your opinion? The faster the better? I can't be the only one that appreciates hardcore not running at 1 million miles an hour
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Completely agree with all this. There were some great hardcore tunes but only played slower.

Not a fan of chipmunk vocals either or anything else unduly silly
 
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spaceface said:
Back in the day, i never liked hardcore. It was far too fast, chipmunk vocals, and just generally irritating. And yet over the last few years i've come to realise that i actually love a lot of the stuff that was getting put out in the early 90's. So much so that i've spent a fair few quid on some of my most wanted tracks (Orcas Dances with Dolphins EP#2 and Neuromancers Pennywise, to name a couple).

The thing is, i've finally realised that so many DJ's were playing these tunes speeded up that i never got the chance to appreciate this music as it truly was. I still get irritated hearing old mixes playing great hardcore tunes at +6 when they sound great at their normal speed or (sacrilege) even slower. I've even play Darkman's Strings of Darkness at a hideously slow speed, which for me makes a fantastic house/breaks tune, in a mix i did a while back.

So what's your opinion? The faster the better? I can't be the only one that appreciates hardcore not running at 1 million miles an hour
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Respect to you spaceface! :D Looks like you are enjoying Hardcore :D

Orca - Intallect - Lucky Spin (LSR016) - YouTube
Donna i believed - (dub) - YouTube
NZO & DJ Invincible feat Stef - Trippin on Sunshine - YouTube

My Hardcore Waffle! :D

It goes back to The Beatles the British way of making music taking sounds & turning them into something else,The Beatles did the same with sounds the same way Roald Dahl did with storys who is also British who i think influenced
The Beatles in some ways! psychedelic worlds.

The Beatles - Within You Without You / Tomorrow Never Knows - YouTube

Listen to sounds & vocals being used in different ways than not intended,here is a slowed down Hardcore style production,the producer N.R.G type production.

Alice (Disney Remix) - YouTube

Hardcore is also a feeling of wanting to be better using aggressive passion pushing yourself! check the scratching @ 2:41 out you can feel his passion pulling of aggressive scratching using speed,strength & pain.

INTENSE THE DROWZEE E P PARADIGI UNDERGROUND LEVEL RECORDINGS ULR 0012 1992 HARDCORE - YouTube

There is Hardcore you can dance to & there is Hardcore to light up a joint sit back & fall into a mysterious world adventure is the key! exploring music with an open mind is so wonderful.

Earth Leakage Trip - No Idea - YouTube

Listen to some GOOD!!! Hardcore what the producers do with sounds experimenting with sounds let them pull you into there world using it has a form of entertainment!

Some more for fun! :D

Front 242 - Religion (Prodigy Trance U Down Mix) - YouTube
LTJ Bukem - A Couple Of Beats (1992) - YouTube
Signs Of Chaos - Crackerjack - YouTube
Holy Ghost Inc. - Stealth - YouTube
The Saucer Crew - Ghost Star (Long Drum Mix) (1992) - YouTube
Tournesol - Untitled - YouTube
USI - Revolution - YouTube

Sorry for the waffle i have not posted for a while i like to post these so i can come back & listen to them! :D
 
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Monty

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spaceface said:
Some nice tunes in that list there monty, and plenty i'd never heard of before. I'm not quite sure where you're trying to take us on the doctor who/popcorn tip though!!!
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I love the REAL first real moments in music The Doctor Who music (1963) just blows me away it is overlooked (space music) with what that lady did using synthesizers (RIP),i am just passionate about British music how trippy & psychedelic we are & just having a bit of fun thats all.

Peeps post about USA & Italio music i like to post about British music (not doing no harm) thats were i come from & thats what i love,i like to hear what the producers can actually do with sounds there capabilities there limits how open minded they are,you can really feel how open minded they are in there music & enjoying music from a sound engineering point of view its whole different BUZZ all together,but golden rule of music is for fun! or should be.

I just like to have a waffle about it lol its all done with joy! i love it all :cool: you got to make an effort if you want to hear other things in music.

But like you said tho Hardcore is so expensive i wish they would bring the prices down i bet some of them will never sell.
 
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Monty

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Sorry for the double post there is no edit button!

The Doctor who was not used using synthesizers crazy stuff! :fekked:


Check the decks @ 3:22 :cool:
 


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