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<blockquote data-quote="Spektral" data-source="post: 919489" data-attributes="member: 49767"><p>In technical terms, I don't think wow and flutter has much to do with the torque. Torque, to me, is just an applied mass at a distance and thus how quickly the motor can propel that mass and hold that mass as the mass rotates around the centre of gravity. </p><p></p><p>Wow and flutter, however, to me, is the mechanical and electrical deviation due to poor tolerances, variations in power pulsation/supplies to the motor, or perhaps even the eccentricity/concentric variations of the platter and the rest of the turntable. Like on an old cassette player, wow and flutter can cause variations in the speed and, exaggerated, give off a kind of ambulance-sounding weave on a string-section of music. </p><p></p><p>I am sure we've all had a pressing of vinyl where the centre hole is out of centre position (or has warped) and the arm/needle weaves side to side, emitting a horrible distortion to the sound. This is because the groove is moving closer and then further away from the spindle as it rotates, which means the speed of the record is changing slightly over a revolution of a groove. </p><p></p><p>This is why tend to attribute wow and flutter being the reason I could never hold long mixes in progressive house on my Stanton decks. There's a lot at play, the arm build, the platter casting quality, the exact position and axis of the spindle, how good the vinyl pressing are, which when combined to my not always brilliant DJ'ing, just tended to throw it off over a duration of time. </p><p></p><p>I can't say I have ever had a problem with any direct drive turntable torque, certainly not my Stantons, but when the wow and flutter is 0.1 and technics 0.01 - I just tend to think if you're pretty anal about perfect progressive house beat-matching on vinyl like I used to be, you may need all the help you can get! lol. It's nothing a rub of the finger on the spindle won't fix, it will be fractional - but fractional over a 3 or 4 minute mix may be enough to have to keep fannying about with it to stay in. </p><p></p><p>However, I'm not an expert on mixing. Despite my suspicions about the manufacturing build and the wow and flutter effects making the speed inconsistent, I am sure it is more my lack of ability and my cloth-ears that are more at fault.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spektral, post: 919489, member: 49767"] In technical terms, I don't think wow and flutter has much to do with the torque. Torque, to me, is just an applied mass at a distance and thus how quickly the motor can propel that mass and hold that mass as the mass rotates around the centre of gravity. Wow and flutter, however, to me, is the mechanical and electrical deviation due to poor tolerances, variations in power pulsation/supplies to the motor, or perhaps even the eccentricity/concentric variations of the platter and the rest of the turntable. Like on an old cassette player, wow and flutter can cause variations in the speed and, exaggerated, give off a kind of ambulance-sounding weave on a string-section of music. I am sure we've all had a pressing of vinyl where the centre hole is out of centre position (or has warped) and the arm/needle weaves side to side, emitting a horrible distortion to the sound. This is because the groove is moving closer and then further away from the spindle as it rotates, which means the speed of the record is changing slightly over a revolution of a groove. This is why tend to attribute wow and flutter being the reason I could never hold long mixes in progressive house on my Stanton decks. There's a lot at play, the arm build, the platter casting quality, the exact position and axis of the spindle, how good the vinyl pressing are, which when combined to my not always brilliant DJ'ing, just tended to throw it off over a duration of time. I can't say I have ever had a problem with any direct drive turntable torque, certainly not my Stantons, but when the wow and flutter is 0.1 and technics 0.01 - I just tend to think if you're pretty anal about perfect progressive house beat-matching on vinyl like I used to be, you may need all the help you can get! lol. It's nothing a rub of the finger on the spindle won't fix, it will be fractional - but fractional over a 3 or 4 minute mix may be enough to have to keep fannying about with it to stay in. However, I'm not an expert on mixing. Despite my suspicions about the manufacturing build and the wow and flutter effects making the speed inconsistent, I am sure it is more my lack of ability and my cloth-ears that are more at fault. [/QUOTE]
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