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<blockquote data-quote="Barrie Jay" data-source="post: 831483" data-attributes="member: 1163"><p>Most public sector pension Schemes were reviewed in 2005/ 2006 and, in agreement with the trades unions, most have changed their normal retirement age to 65 for new entrants whilst those existing members retain their right to take their pension from age 60 should they wish to do so and subject to certain conditions. Many have also moved to career average earnings instead of final salary.</p><p></p><p>The average pay out for a public sector pension scheme is broadly comparable to a private sector scheme and there is no truth in the myth that public sector pensions are `gold plated`. Even Lord Hutton in his review of public sector pensions (on which the government is basing a lot of the proposed reforms) says the cost of public sector pensions is sustainable and will likely decrease in the medium to long term – this was before the chancellor decided to change the method of index linking from RPI to CPI (without any negotiations) thereby further reducing the overall cost – and wiping 20% of the value of a public sector pension at a stroke. </p><p></p><p>Just because a lot of the pensions in the private sector are screwed (a considerable amount of which is due to pensions fund mismanagement partly further due to pensions de-regulation by the government regarding the ability to take pension fund holidays and such) this is no justification for trying to further reduce the value of a public sector pension because it is better than what is on offer, generally, in the private sector. This should be a clear case for ensuring better pension provision for the private sector so that we are ALL not up shit`s financial creek when we do retire. </p><p></p><p>The only reason the government is now in `negotiations` is because of the strike action otherwise they would have just implemented the proposed changes to make all public sector workers pay more, work longer and get less (on top of a two year pay freeze).</p><p></p><p>NOT ONE SINGLE PENNY OF THE MONEY THE GOVERNMENT WILL SAVE WILL GO TOWARDS THE COST OF PENSION PROVISION BUT IS BEING USED TO PAY HELP PAY OFF THE FINANCIAL DEFICIT CAUSED BY GREEDY AND WILFUL BANKERS AND NOT THE FAULT OF PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS WHO ARE BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY.</p><p></p><p>We are all being shafted except those that can most afford it or who are responsible for this dire mess we are in. Some it seems are being shafted far more than others despite the government`s pathetic claim (when it suits them, of course) that `we are all in this together`.</p><p></p><p>There comes a point when people have to take a stand and that, for around an estimated 2 million people, is tomorrow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Barrie Jay, post: 831483, member: 1163"] Most public sector pension Schemes were reviewed in 2005/ 2006 and, in agreement with the trades unions, most have changed their normal retirement age to 65 for new entrants whilst those existing members retain their right to take their pension from age 60 should they wish to do so and subject to certain conditions. Many have also moved to career average earnings instead of final salary. The average pay out for a public sector pension scheme is broadly comparable to a private sector scheme and there is no truth in the myth that public sector pensions are `gold plated`. Even Lord Hutton in his review of public sector pensions (on which the government is basing a lot of the proposed reforms) says the cost of public sector pensions is sustainable and will likely decrease in the medium to long term – this was before the chancellor decided to change the method of index linking from RPI to CPI (without any negotiations) thereby further reducing the overall cost – and wiping 20% of the value of a public sector pension at a stroke. Just because a lot of the pensions in the private sector are screwed (a considerable amount of which is due to pensions fund mismanagement partly further due to pensions de-regulation by the government regarding the ability to take pension fund holidays and such) this is no justification for trying to further reduce the value of a public sector pension because it is better than what is on offer, generally, in the private sector. This should be a clear case for ensuring better pension provision for the private sector so that we are ALL not up shit`s financial creek when we do retire. The only reason the government is now in `negotiations` is because of the strike action otherwise they would have just implemented the proposed changes to make all public sector workers pay more, work longer and get less (on top of a two year pay freeze). NOT ONE SINGLE PENNY OF THE MONEY THE GOVERNMENT WILL SAVE WILL GO TOWARDS THE COST OF PENSION PROVISION BUT IS BEING USED TO PAY HELP PAY OFF THE FINANCIAL DEFICIT CAUSED BY GREEDY AND WILFUL BANKERS AND NOT THE FAULT OF PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS WHO ARE BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY. We are all being shafted except those that can most afford it or who are responsible for this dire mess we are in. Some it seems are being shafted far more than others despite the government`s pathetic claim (when it suits them, of course) that `we are all in this together`. There comes a point when people have to take a stand and that, for around an estimated 2 million people, is tomorrow. [/QUOTE]
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