okies sorted me head out n got vb 2.2.8 installed, also noticed along the way that the webspace we have is nearly full (the database size is over 150 meg - thats a shitload of posts!) and so upgraded that n all - hopefully they will have sorted it sharpish but you may notice some database errors during today/2morow - if you do post a reply to this thread and let me know what error it throws at you. hopefully there wont be no problems as the webspace peeps r on the ball and im confident theyl upgrade the account within a few hours. (he says with his fingers crossed lol)