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Joker Jen

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I've signed up I can't see this replacin car tax or tax on fuel, if it did & they got public transport in a better state then maybe & I would get the bus in but atm to get the bus would mean a 2hr journey to travel 11 miles instead of 20 mins in the car :( :( :(
 

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Can I also add that I might and i mean might just accept this extra taxation if the government was made to be completely transparent in how they spend 'OUR MONEY'

I mean they are the only organisation in the country that can get away with not divulging their accounts...we all have to.!
 

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In theory, the fairest system is petrol tax. Bigger cars use more fuel and do more damage to the roads, so whats' wrong with the current system (apart from using fuel taxes to subsidise other ventures)?:S
 

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I'd like to know...

How much is it going to cost to fit every car in Britian with one of these magic boxes?
Who's going to pay for it?
What's the point really, other than to spy on people?
How long before everyone rips them out?
How will anyone know if it's been ripped out?
What happens when there's roadworks/accident somwhere and you get diverted onto a more expensive road?
What will happen when everyone avoids the expensive roads and goes down the cheap ones? Er.. congestion lol
Who keeps track of all the data?
What will they do with it?
Will people trust whoever is in charge of the system?
What happens when it fucks up? Coz it's bound to at some point! Haha!
What's the point in charging extra at "peak times"? People need to get to work at a certain time, so what's the alternative? Trains & Busses? :rofl:
 

sirius

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I'd like to know...

How much is it going to cost to fit every car in Britian with one of these magic boxes?
Who's going to pay for it?
What's the point really, other than to spy on people?
How long before everyone rips them out?
How will anyone know if it's been ripped out?
What happens when there's roadworks/accident somwhere and you get diverted onto a more expensive road?
What will happen when everyone avoids the expensive roads and goes down the cheap ones? Er.. congestion lol
Who keeps track of all the data?
What will they do with it?
Will people trust whoever is in charge of the system?
What happens when it fucks up? Coz it's bound to at some point! Haha!
What's the point in charging extra at "peak times"? People need to get to work at a certain time, so what's the alternative? Trains & Busses? :rofl:

A lot!!!!
We are, of course.
There is no point but to spy on people
Rip them out and you will be imprisoned I suspect
They will fit them with some form of transmitter that the recievers will alert authorities if youre driving without one.
You will have to pay, and its tough shit.
The roads will get congested, and thus all routes will eventually be congestion charged! (After destroying rural areas with HGVs that is)
Civil Servants and Government bodies, with a mixture of private business, just for that extra level of paperwork and beurocacy - and no, nobody works in a real job, but us mugs.
Technology, Inspectors, Computers, Satellite programs.
Log the socio econmomics and use this law to base other ones on for wider implications to our lives, such as where youre going, when you are allowed to go, and who youre allowed to see, how long youve been there, and much much more which we can only have nightmares about.
The Naive will trust the bodies/companies/government until its too late and we are biochipped at birth and barcoded on the forehead, drones.
Total chaos will happen.
Business becomes unproductive and inefficient, and people will spend 3 hours getting up early to get to work instead of the 45 minutes journey it used to be, spending even less time with thier families, and then they will break down, people will have to live AT work, and have "vacations" when they are allowed by the government to travel home, and due to even less quality time at home we will have more drugs and crime, and eventually society will melt down and armageddon will come.

Maybe that helps Tim ;)
 

ilovepiano

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A lot!!!!
We are, of course.
There is no point but to spy on people
Rip them out and you will be imprisoned I suspect
They will fit them with some form of transmitter that the recievers will alert authorities if youre driving without one.
You will have to pay, and its tough shit.
The roads will get congested, and thus all routes will eventually be congestion charged! (After destroying rural areas with HGVs that is)
Civil Servants and Government bodies, with a mixture of private business, just for that extra level of paperwork and beurocacy - and no, nobody works in a real job, but us mugs.
Technology, Inspectors, Computers, Satellite programs.
Log the socio econmomics and use this law to base other ones on for wider implications to our lives, such as where youre going, when you are allowed to go, and who youre allowed to see, how long youve been there, and much much more which we can only have nightmares about.
The Naive will trust the bodies/companies/government until its too late and we are biochipped at birth and barcoded on the forehead, drones.
Total chaos will happen.
Business becomes unproductive and inefficient, and people will spend 3 hours getting up early to get to work instead of the 45 minutes journey it used to be, spending even less time with thier families, and then they will break down, people will have to live AT work, and have "vacations" when they are allowed by the government to travel home, and due to even less quality time at home we will have more drugs and crime, and eventually society will melt down and armageddon will come.

Maybe that helps Tim ;)


LOL, save me a seat on the plane out of here! :)


Also, I'm not having it that this has got anything to do with cutting pollution. I'd stick money on it that global warming has fuck all to do with anything man-made - apparently the whole solar system is warming up....
 

sirius

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Whilst Im in flippant, totally over the top mode, lets have a stab at this one:

So, for all the people slagging this idea off, what's your bright idea?

The same solution to extreme poverty, starvation and Aids in Africa, climate change concerns about developing countries like India all getting cars and fridge freezers in the future etc as they get more affluent and materialistic, the same solution to racism through mass migration into lands that never asked for or wanted these people, the same answer to less overcrowding and less usage of the worlds resources beyond our means.......

......Population number control in the FIRST PLACE.

The last great taboo. If any of you look at future and current population statistics and "birth rates" in places like the middle east (Syria, Iran etc), especially places like Egypt, and Africa etc, and most definately the emerging powerhouses like India .......I think you will be shocked at what that equates for the future.

Failing that, I suggest nuking the system, starting again, and people have to once again work within walking distance of thier homes, grow thier own vegetables etc and work over the internet wherever possibly applicable - using technology more to avoid travelling to work as more and more people use computers to do thier jobs.
Maybe also stopping mass transportation of goods on the roads, forcing people and manufacturers to make more 'smart car' sized cars as most people go to work and back alone, or some sort of personal car helecopter combo as seen in Bladerunner where traffic is 3 dimensional in volume and traffic lights span high into the sky over a concrete Britain of massive oversized tower blocks and tarmac, with factories that manufacture milk substitute from plastics or something as all the cows had to be made way for for more people.

I dont know, but pricing people off the road (or anything) never works. Did rising the price of a pint all those years ago make people drink less? Did it fuck. Wages usually end up adjusting to represent the cost of living, so eventually things will balance back out again, jobs will offer more money to cover higher expenses of people having to get to work, and in the meantime many millions more people will have arrived here, and (my pet hate) many millions more people from over spilling third world countries will be born here at disproportionate rates to the national native average, providing population booms ontop of being un-necessary in the first place.

How long do people think we can go on absorbing all these people in this country and giving them unlimited birth rates? And just generally NOT managing populations properly - not just here but allover the world? Are we going to give them all cars? Central Heating? Roads? Fridge Freezers?

Are we going to have trains like they have in India and Pakistan where hundreds hang on to open cart carriages and sit on the roofs, as we all treck to work as the lackies for foriegn businesses we so foolishly let slip though our fingers due to industry disappearing under a never ending avalanche of pen pushers and pricing ourselves out the market place?
Just when are we going to say we cant carry on and on and on as a species, when simple birth control in developing countries and the third world would solve a hell of a lot of mess and issues, and likewise here from all people that have large amounts of kids, but oh no, I cant say that!, How disgusting of me to say such a thing!.

Its the same people who whinge about needing nuclear stations in the UK to cover power demands that throw the doors wide open for even more usage above and beyond our capacity, the same people who whinge about global warming and the environment toll on resources yet refuse to talk about curbing future population trends that spell the disaster and fights for those resources.

Optimum Population Trust

Okay, Im being slighty flippant, simplistic, and just pushing forward a somewhat stupid mindset......but I dont ever see things as SOLELY the issue at hand, you cant treat it in isolation to every other thing going on in my opinion.
Population control is uniquely a White/Anglo Saxon concept it seems, with perhaps Japan as an exception, the rest of the world dont seem give a monkeys as some still want to inherit the Earth, demographics IS power, and some places still rely on large families to support each other at (ironically) the same time as making it much harder for thier grandchildren and condeming them to a life of misery, disease, famine and climate change catastophies which good old whitey usually has to foot the never ending bill for in the guilt that everything wrong with the entire planet is seemingly thier fault for existing, and its not just that, but our government trying to fix the pension crisis by population booms - a total farce cos these people will get old themselves and MORE people will be needed to cover them, this, is at the same time that they will raise the retirement age to something like 72 - - - That way they will save millions issuing pensions to the already DEAD, after theyve flogged thier life away to live off the crumbs of freedom given to them by the governments lol.

Maybe thats a load of bollocks though. . Im not saying Im right or wrong here, its just the ramblings and tired thoughts of a madman today. lol.

The big brother issue is more of a concern for me too, cos this used in tandem to the already orwellian 1984 nightmare Biometric ID cards and increasing fascist dictatorship/Police state state we are turning into.

Bah, lol.

Sirius
 
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marty

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""Drivers could pay up to £1.34 a mile in "pay-as-you go" road charges under new government plans.
The transport secretary said the charges, aimed at cutting congestion, would replace road tax and petrol duty. "


What's the problem?

Drive less - pay less. Drive more - pay more. Seems fair enough to me.



I have huge problems with the civil liberties part but can't see a problem with road pricing in principle.

Coz that is alreday in place....Petrol. Something lke 70% of the price of petrol is tax.......for everyones favourite highwayman.....Gordon Brown.
 

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Sure I heard something on the radio the other day about them considering dropping the MOT gap to two years instead of one :confused: might have misheard though... anyone else shed any light on this?