A real DJ on the 'Instant DJ'

[Postie]

Vinyl all the way for me,for example when im listening to dj spinning vinyl and its good i think wow what a dj,hes talented,but when im listening to a digital dj and its good im thinking,cheating fooker,coz hes pressed a button found out bpm and auto cued it,voila,there seems to be no skill.Mixing vinyl and beat matching software are soo ifferent,i love to hear the crackles on a mix it gives charachter.Im actually glad everybody seems to be going digital as im lking the fact theres not as many vinyl djs out there as the once was.Also the price of vinyl is coming down which is good for me as im a cheap skate and wont fork out for expensive softwares.What happens if lappy breaks aswell do you lose everything coz we all know that lappys seem to fook up.If im ata agig and find out hes using digital stuff to dj with my respect for him/her as gone,you should only use digital if ya play donk shite.Also if all the vinyl djs had a fight with all the digital djs who do ya think would win,yes vinyl coz digital is for puffs and arse bandits were vinyl is for real men....

 

[seandelier]

Vinyl all the way for me,for example when im listening to dj spinning vinyl and its good i think wow what a dj,hes talented,but when im listening to a digital dj and its good im thinking,cheating fooker,coz hes pressed a button found out bpm and auto cued it,voila,there seems to be no skill.Mixing vinyl and beat matching software are soo ifferent,i love to hear the crackles on a mix it gives charachter.Im actually glad everybody seems to be going digital as im lking the fact theres not as many vinyl djs out there as the once was.Also the price of vinyl is coming down which is good for me as im a cheap skate and wont fork out for expensive softwares.What happens if lappy breaks aswell do you lose everything coz we all know that lappys seem to fook up.If im ata agig and find out hes using digital stuff to dj with my respect for him/her as gone,you should only use digital if ya play donk shite.Also if all the vinyl djs had a fight with all the digital djs who do ya think would win,yes vinyl coz digital is for puffs and arse bandits were vinyl is for real men....

So you would call Andrew Weatherall a crap DJ?

 

[U31]

Most of us learn early on, to turn most of those auto functions off, as what the programme computes to be a beat is often completely different to what the human ear knows to be correct... same with auto bpms.
Of course you can fiddle with the music file to correct the bpms and beats if you do use the automatic cue points and stuff, i prefer me lug oles tho.. Correcting the file is a human skill, no?


The only cheat i regularly use is the keylock, its a handy little bugger, before i discovered this i used to alter the pitch and keep the choon in key with Audacity.

 

[SCR101.5]

i love to hear the crackles on a mix it gives charachter.

Don't worry, whenever I rip vinyl to digital format, I always leave crackles on to confuse listeners.

 

[Brock Landers]

Don't worry, whenever I rip vinyl to digital format, I always leave crackles on to confuse listeners.

Hahaha. I never use the sync functions and unless you set every tune up perfectly with a beatgrid (this is as human as letting go of a record at the right time) 9/10 times the beat will be out anyway, so I do it the old fashioned manual way.....

 

[Postie]

So you would call Andrew Weatherall a crap DJ?

To be honest mate i cant comment on andrew weatherall coz i never heard him, i think,and im not saying if your a digital dj your crap its just that in my opinion there is no definitive skill in pressing a button finding the bpm and fading in.This argument could go on forever( digital or vinyl) but my preference is vinyl,it sounds thicker and visually looks the part.I get the point of having thousands of files on a lappy and not having to carry a few boxes of tunes to do a gig but so what having to carry a bit of weight its not that bad most of us have cars.fifteen tunes could do a hr easily and thats not much weight as most djs tend to do a hr b4 another dj takes over.I know times are changing and the so called digital revolution is happening which is good for a lot of people but not for me,djay said us vinylists are scared of the digital format which isnt true its just i prefer the vinyl sound and feel.What would happen if ya lappy fooks up while doing amix ya basically screwed,very rarely a deck will fook up,they are made to last software isnt.

 

[djay]

Don't worry, whenever I rip vinyl to digital format, I always leave crackles on to confuse listeners.

Rofl.

And postie while everyone has an opinion and should indeed say what they think your post was well bollox to be fair it fails on so many levels it was hardly worth posting.

Anyone can beat match it's the basic thing most of us all learned many years ago so it does nothing to me to here a typical record playing dj match 2 bpm's allthough most you hear can't even do that after all these years of the pitch controlled record deck.

There is no real skill in that, fair enough in the old days when the likes of larry lavern were putting out tapes then yeah I wanted some of that coz it was impressive but again this was 1988 it's now 2011 and there is so much more to dj'ing than sticking a couple of beats together.

Basic jealousy and record snobbery tbh but again each to there own as your in the minority and it's getting worse for people living in the 1980's all the time.

There aint one thing a turntable can do that a digital dj can't while he is doing something else to wow the crowd at the same time and if it was as shit as some people say you wouldn't get so many talented ex vinyl dj's embracing the future... They would be living in the past as some people are.

If you ain't tried a full set using digital equipment and used it to it's full extent then your never going to see the advantage.

 

[djay]

P.s just my opinion and seen as I play mostly new music these days it's more viable to me, as for a laptop dying well it's rare but can happen but then I have heard needles snap in clubs and nobody has a spare !! What do you do then ???

It's all iffs and buts but it's good to talk and if we all done the same it would by a shitty world ( well more shit than it is now)

 

[Postie]

Rofl.

And postie while everyone has an opinion and should indeed say what they think your post was well bollox to be fair it fails on so many levels it was hardly worth posting.

Anyone can beat match it's the basic thing most of us all learned many years ago so it does nothing to me to here a typical record playing dj match 2 bpm's allthough most you hear can't even do that after all these years of the pitch controlled record deck.

There is no real skill in that, fair enough in the old days when the likes of larry lavern were putting out tapes then yeah I wanted some of that coz it was impressive but again this was 1988 it's now 2011 and there is so much more to dj'ing than sticking a couple of beats together.

Basic jealousy and record snobbery tbh but again each to there own as your in the minority and it's getting worse for people living in the 1980's all the time.

There aint one thing a turntable can do that a digital dj can't while he is doing something else to wow the crowd at the same time and if it was as shit as some people say you wouldn't get so many talented ex vinyl dj's embracing the future... They would be living in the past as some people are.

If you ain't tried a full set using digital equipment and used it to it's full extent then your never going to see the advantage.

I love the 80s always will,good years the best actually,and im not jealous mate honestly its just not my thang ,its to expensive this software larchy (well the good stuff)
I hardly bought owt since 95 and had me decks since 88 can ya honestly say youll have the same software for that amount of time,i doubt it and yall have to pay out some more money as i reckon ya probably got the expensive software(400)? and will probably change it 5 times in that amount of time ive had me dex.You like digital i dont,thats your thang and fair enuff, respect to ya.
I have owned cdjs in the past and sold em very quickly as i didnt get that feeling i get with raw plastic,the smell,the dust,the odd scratch,its what i like about djing but thats my opinion.I will never go digital,i dont need or want to,2 be honest im not that fussed about mixing nowadays just the odd mix and anyway id rather do some thing else,like watch a bit of tele or go on me motorbike.peace out ya robot lol

 

[leaky]

Vinyl all the way for me,for example when I'm listening to DJ spinning vinyl and its good i think wow what a DJ,hes talented,but when I'm listening to a digital DJ and its good I'm thinking,cheating fooker,coz hes pressed a button found out bpm and auto cued it,voila,there seems to be no skill

it does make me laugh, not just at you postie m8 but so many people see digital as cheating, but what are, if they use auto cue or beat match, exactly cheating at, its not exactly difficult to get 2 tunes running at the same tempo, when i 1st moved on from my alba and fidelity and no mixer, rig. to a pair of 1210s and a mixer, i was beat matching within an hour. I'm not in anyway clever but lets be honest its not exactly a major skill. you would have to be either tone deaf or have no sense of rhythm to not easily pick up this basic skill. now scratching beat juggling etc is what i can accept requires plenty of skill,(and for the record i couldn't do either)

also since when did, direct drive, anti skate devices, pitch control, slipmatts, headphones, adj height tone arms, and even little pop up lights. become the recognized standard, wouldn't it be fair for djs who used equipment before these luxury's appeared, to be able to say the new technics generation DJ are all cheating because they are using tools that make it easier than it is for the guys who haven't taken up the new technology. just another angle to consider

cracking thread this

 

[seandelier]

To be honest mate i cant comment on andrew weatherall coz i never heard him,p:

This says it all. End of discussion.

 

[siman91]

There is no real skill in that, fair enough in the old days when the likes of larry lavern were putting out tapes then yeah I wanted some of that coz it was impressive but again this was 1988 it's now 2011 and there is so much more to dj'ing than sticking a couple of beats together.

Basic jealousy and record snobbery tbh but again each to there own as your in the minority and it's getting worse for people living in the 1980's all the time.

There aint one thing a turntable can do that a digital dj can't while he is doing something else to wow the crowd at the same time and if it was as shit as some people say you wouldn't get so many talented ex vinyl dj's embracing the future... They would be living in the past as some people are.

If you ain't tried a full set using digital equipment and used it to it's full extent then your never going to see the advantage.

There are so many points wrong with what is said in this quote.

Vinyl gives so much more pleasure than digital, there is a physical connection between you and the record rather than buttons and jog wheels.

The fact of actually owning the record and not just a data file which 1000's of other have got likely for nothing.

Yes being snobby about owning the record, being able to get into the mix with it and loving it

I own my records because I LOVE the music and not because it cant be dj'd. Many of my favourite records are real b@stards to mix with as they are great musically and not just beats with background synths etc like alot of todays stuff........quote DJ RAP april 1994 Kiss FM...."music made for the love of music and not just produced by dj's for dj'ing" To me mixing the records is second to listening and enjoying the records. The sound quality is also much much better via vinyl or CDJ.

I have 6x Technics 1200's, 2x Pioneer CDJ800's mkII and Vestax VCI300 so do feel qualified to comment and as said previously records are the best for an old git like me, CDJ's get no use at all and VCI is useless in my hands as im not used to it, mixer is too soft, responses not good enough and sound quality is poor (im using WAV files of my own but digital just does nothing for me)

I love the styl of mixing given by using vinyl, I blend and sometimes cut and hate samples, echo's and fx, adds absolutely nothing.

Sorry but this thread will go on forever as paople who have vinyl will argue until the blue in the face that it IS best, those with cd's that CDJ's are best and those poor relatives who cant be bothered to buy their music have MP3 consoles.

S

 

[Shooms]

also since when did, direct drive, anti skate devices, pitch control, slipmatts, headphones, adj height tone arms, and even little pop up lights. become the recognized standard, wouldn't it be fair for djs who used equipment before these luxury's appeared, to be able to say the new technics generation DJ are all cheating because they are using tools that make it easier than it is for the guys who haven't taken up the new technology. just another angle to consider

Mixology & turntablism came after Technics though

The pitch on 1200's wasn't originally designed to be used for beat matching

 

[Benny-Digital]

No problem benny we gotta keep pushing this digital revolution

Its all in the name Sir

 

[leaky]

Mixology & turntablism came after Technics though

haha not in my attic it didn't :$

its each to their own to be fair and everybody's different, personally hand on heart if money was no object, say if i won the lotto and i could go onto oggs and buy any tune i wanted regardless of price i would be torn between buying turntables or for digital opting for one of these NS7 Numark Performance Controller with Serato ITCH. but solely for the reason that vinyl is the only format i have mixed with (except for virtual DJ but only on the monitor, no midi controller) but i don't have the money time or passion, to get back into spinning tunes as much as i would enjoy it. i am tempted to buy a cheap controller for my tinkering pleasure though.
the only music i listen too these days are osa radio, rough tempo radio, radio 2, and the dozens of mixes i grab from soundcloud. but i don't think i have ever checked out what equipment is being used, it wouldn't make a dot of difference if my favorite mix turned out to have been created on a pair of
Gramophones or a Tonium Pacemaker if it sounds good to me, thats all that matters. the art of a DJ is the choice of tunes, and thats not even what can be called a talent or a skill, a DJ might play a full 2 hr set of cheeky girls donk and dubstep remixes, yet to someone who likes that thing will think that DJ is a god. one of my favorite ever mixes (moonboots and jason boardman) isn't even mixed. at the end of the day no format or set up is better than another its just down to what each person feels more comfortable using.

 

[Shooms]

one of my favorite ever mixes (moonboots and jason boardman) isn't even mixed.

phones: phones: phones:

Love that mix - was playing it in the motor the other week n all

 

[Shooms]

PS... on the vinyl vs digital audiophile quality... I would invite the digi boys to check out DMM

Direct metal mastering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[djay]

PS... on the vinyl vs digital audiophile quality... I would invite the digi boys to check out DMM

Direct metal mastering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Was a nice read that, seems a pity they stopped mastering directly to plate and used the more inferior lacquered disc.

I think sound quality of digital will only get better with higher sample rates and better algorhythm use and in time there will be algorithms that reproduce the more warmer sound of a record, it's all just maths I suppose but having said that a lot of new music would and does sound less "electronic" if you can call it that on wax and to me that's a bad thing.

When I listen to new digital trax they sound like they were coming directly off my pc which at the end of they day is how the creators of this music heard it in the first place, so I don't miss the rumble sound or the warmer baselines etc as they were never there when the person created the track in the first place.

Has been a good thread so far this one and where as I don't think it will convert anyone I do hope it will make the odd person realise time and tide waits for no man or woman come to think of it these are just new tools in an ever evolving dj's arsenal.

But after all that I must digress controllers being sold in shops like best buy (USA) and even the likes of maplin do partially freak me out as I paid 700+ for my controller and you can buy a cheap version for 150 these days... But then why shouldn't everyone have the right to be a dj in some way or form ?? It shouldn't have to be a full on investment like it was for most of us for many years.

So for that point as well I think the digital revolution has been worth it's weight in gold

 

[SCR101.5]

I think sound quality of digital will only get better with higher sample rates and better algorhythm use and in time there will be algorithms that reproduce the more warmer sound of a record, it's all just maths I suppose but having said that a lot of new music would and does sound less "electronic" if you can call it that on wax and to me that's a bad thing.

But won't it reach the stage where the human ear won't be able to detect the improvement? Hasn't that already happened re. differences between Wav & 320 MP3s?
I must admit though- I recently bought a 24 bit Wav LP download & it was a delight to turn up the volume & let it work its magic.

 

[djay]

That's the whole point, the quality should be indistinguishable from the original source which is itself digital. I love the sound on a 48khz 24bit track it's meaty deep and sharp oh yeah and has no crackles and will never wear out

Tbh I think this whole quality thing only matters when you have vinyl rips, yeah wav sound awesome it just takes up loads of space and for the most part nobody can tell any difference from wav to mp3 unless you have a wicked huge club sound system and even then if somebody played mp3's @320kbits all night nobody what notice any loss in soundquality at all.

And whats more as I have posted before nobody listening via online radio would know the difference at all, and let's face it people go on about how good and warm etc etc records sound well yes they do when pressed correctly and mastered correctly and that's quite a rare thing. I have loads of trax on vinyl that sound shit and need you to adjust trim levels as the top end is flat or there is sod all base etc so the argument is only as good as the pressing and the quality of the engineer behind the pressing.

I allways record my mixes in serato at 44.1 24bit wav and they sound awesome I think.