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jason67

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It's a radical idea, but if it would work in preventing terrorist from risking future attacks because they'll never reach heaven, then I would be in favour of it. But i'd agree it's more likely to inflame moderates, so i'd agree it's probably not the best idea:thumbsup:

As for propaganda and documentaries, it's much like a magicians bag of tricks. It's all about convincing viewers into believing what they are seeing is real and i've seen a lot of shite that guillible viewers will buy into no questions asked. I know governments are corrupt and I know conspiracy theorists will use every trick in the book to convince you into believing there side of the story too, but there doesn't always have to be an alternate agenda, especially when something like this could backfire so badly and jeopardise their world standing.

The weapons of mass destruction story damaged the US and UK's standing in the world pretty badly. That's a bloody good reason why they wouldn't want a repeat of that event.

Fair points mate. :wave:
 

JACKG

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Is Sirius still banned? Bring him back as he would love this thread

He is mate:|

Used to enjoy reading the threads where he was an active contributor.

Didnt always agree with his views but certainly was entertaining, also on the few occasions I dealt with him was sound:thumbsup:

Just to add to the controversy I think I saw Osama in Hyde town centre last week too;)
 
BBC smell a rat too...

BBC News - Osama Bin Laden's Abbottabad house 'was al-Qaeda hub'

Analysis


Frank Gardner
BBC security correspondent
Of the five clips released by the Pentagon, and said by them to have been seized from Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, only one is truly remarkable. It appears to show an aged and frail Bin Laden squatting on the floor of a very basic room with jerry-rigged electrical wiring, watching television.

There is nothing glamorous about his surroundings, which resemble an urban squat. Yet a senior but unnamed US intelligence official has told journalists in Washington they now believe the compound raided by US Navy Seals last Monday was an al-Qaeda command and control centre.

If they're right then the idea of Bin Laden being too busy evading capture to get involved in operations all this time will turn out to be badly wrong.

But Noman Benotman, who knew Bin Laden personally up til 2000, tells me this is wrong, that Bin Laden was a spiritual leader but in no way a military commander.
 

MANC

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but pakistan have his 12 year old daughter who witnessed her father killed. Or is she on the CIA payroll too?
 
haha yeah probibly just another CIA undercover midget innit:cool:

They are trained by going on the Jerry Springer Show :D


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqpXLRlkHk0]YouTube - Jerry Springer - Midget Fight[/ame]


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Postie

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Just watched this [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG4-p4OXT4Q&feature=fvwrel]YouTube - ARMADILLO Full Movie Part 1[/ame]

Won a prize at the cannes film festival and is real footage of the battle against the taliban.If ya dont mind subtitles its a good watch.This is real film and hits a nerve for me as my brother served in afganistan.:)
 

Benny-Digital

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Pink makes the boys wink....
I'm sure that you have all seen this but well worth a watch again.

YouTube - The Power of Nightmares Volume 1 Part 1 of 6

Being as old as we are I think that we were all scared about the 'threat' from the Soviet union during the cold war. But watch this documentary and you can see that there was no threat at all.
Fear can make people do the most irrational things.

Watching now. I know this is a serious discussion but I'd like to add how jealous i am if Kotb's moustache.. It's a thing of beauty!
 

seandelier

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interesting.... especially as Al Quaeda was a name by the US given to the small group of terrorists of which Bin Laden was the money man (not the mastermind) of...

I suggest you read "The Looming Tower" mate. It might disavow you from that stupid CT stuff floating around.

Also that guy in the video you linked is a fraud.
 
I suggest you read "The Looming Tower" mate. It might disavow you from that stupid CT stuff floating around.

Also that guy in the video you linked is a fraud.

Will check out ta :thumbsup:

That Steve Pieczenik's credentials would seem to check out, unless you mean Alex Jones ?

Bottom line does no-one else smell a rat - the official story has exploded like a fucking Sony Bravia ad, but instead of a paint rainbow, it's uniformly coloured shit.

10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax


Merely a week after President Obama announced the death of Osama Bin Laden, there is literally a deluge of evidence that clearly indicates the whole episode has been manufactured for political gain and to return Americans to a state of post-9/11 intellectual castration so that they can be easily manipulated in the run up to the 2012 election. Here are ten facts that prove the Bin Laden fable is a contrived hoax….

1) Before last Sunday’s raid, every intelligence analyst, geopolitical commentator or head of state worth their salt was on record as stating that Osama Bin Laden was already dead, and that he probably died many years ago, from veteran CIA officer Robert Baer, to former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, to former FBI head of counterterrorism Dale Watson. In addition, back in 2002 Alex Jones was told directly by two separate high level sources that Bin Laden was already dead and that his death would be announced at the most politically opportune moment. Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under five different Presidents, serving as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under the Nixon, Ford and Carter, told the Alex Jones Show last week that Bin Laden died of marfan syndrome shortly after he was visited by CIA physicians at the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001.

2) The official narrative of how the raid unfolded completely collapsed within days of its announcement. First there had been a 40 minute shootout, then there was no shootout and just one man was armed, first Bin Laden was armed then he was not, first Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield and then he did not. First the compound was described as a “$1 million dollar mansion” then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound that was worth less than a quarter of that. Almost every single aspect of the official narrative has changed since Obama first described the raid last Sunday as the White House struggles to keep its story straight.

3) The alleged body of Bin Laden was hastily dumped in the sea to prevent any proper procedure of identification. The White House claimed this was in accordance with normal Islamic burial rituals, however numerous Muslim scholars all over the globe disputed this claim, pointing out that Muslims can only be buried at sea if they die at sea. While the White House claimed that Bin Laden’s death on May 1st was proven by DNA and facial recognition evidence, such proof was never released for public scrutiny and the Obama administration refused to release photos of Bin Laden’s dead body, suggesting a cover-up.

4) Despite the fact that the White House released “situation room” photos which purported to show Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and the rest of Obama’s security staff watching the raid which killed Bin Laden live, it was later admitted by CIA director Leon Panetta that Obama could not have seen the raid because the live feed was cut off before the Navy SEALS entered the compound. The photos were described by many as having “historical significance,” forming a “captivating” record of Obama’s greatest success and being the “defining moment” of his Presidency. One image showed Hillary Clinton with her hand over her mouth as if witnessing an anxious or crucial moment in the raid. Media reports at the time claimed that the photos represented the moment when “The leader of the free world saw the terror chief shot in the left eye.” However, the photos were staged as a PR stunt for public consumption, nobody in the photos ever saw Bin Laden killed live, nor did they see the Navy SEALS even enter the compound.

5) As even mainstream journalists began to cast suspicion on the official narrative behind the raid, the media reported that Al-Qaeda itself had confirmed every detail of Obama’s address the the nation. However, the conduit for such a claim was in fact an organization called SITE, which is a notorious Pentagon propaganda front run by the daughter of an Israeli spy that has been caught on numerous occasions releasing fake cartoonish “Al-Qaeda” videos at the most politically expedient times for both the Bush and Obama administrations. The SITE organization is nothing more than a contractor for the U.S. government, receiving some $500,000 a year annually from Uncle Sam, and yet the corporate media instantly swallowed and regurgitated the claim that “Al-Qaeda” had confirmed the official story after SITE directed them to an anonymous posting on an Islamic website.

6) Almost every single neighbor that lived near the alleged Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad that was interviewed by news reporters said with absolute certainty that they had never seen Bin Laden and that they knew of no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lived there. Since the town is a staging ground for the Pakistani military, which has a training facility situated virtually a stone’s throw away from the alleged Bin Laden compound, residents were required to show ID when they moved into the area. Pakistani troops and anti-terror police in the town refused to confirm that Bin Laden had lived in the house. Barack Obama himself admitted to 60 Minutes that the White House was only 55/45 sure that Osama lived there before the raid and this uncertainty prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a “prince from Dubai” or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.

7) The videos released by the White House this past weekend which purport to show Osama Bin Laden making Al-Qaeda tapes in October-November 2010 are almost identical to footage first released by Pentagon front group SITE nearly four years ago. Remember, a May 2010 Washington Post story reported how the CIA had admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos. Despite the White House’s insistence that the footage of Bin Laden is recent, he looks younger and healthier than tapes released almost a decade ago, having apparently dyed his beard black. A separate video that purports to show Bin Laden in his compound flicking through satellite TV channels depicts a much older looking man with a gray beard. Analysts have pointed out that the man has different shaped ears to real Osama pictures from back in 2001. A doctor has also pointed out the fact that the man in the tapes released Saturday has no problem moving his left arm, whereas video from 2001 clearly illustrates how Bin Laden was unable to move his left upper extremity because of a permanent injury probably related to damage to the peripheral nerves. Why the cameraman would film the back of Bin Laden’s head as he watches television is also dubious. Residents in the town of Abbottabad claim the man in the “television” video is not Osama, with one individual claiming that the man labeled by the White House as being Bin Laden is actually his neighbor, a man named Akhbar Han.

Despite the fact that numerous neo-cons came out on the days after the alleged raid to erroneously assert that torturing terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay led to the discovery of Bin Laden, Osama himself, the supposed world’s most wanted terrorist and a treasure trove of terror information, despite the fact that he was unarmed, was not taken in for questioning, he was instantly shot in the head according to the official narrative.

9) The US government has been caught on several occasions within the past decade staging military operations for the purposes of generating contrived, pro-war sentiment amongst the American public. Both the “rescue” of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman were complete fables, scripted and staged at complete odds with the truth and unleashed on Americans as part of a psychological warfare offensive to elicit support for the war on terror, almost identical to what we’re seeing now with the Bin Laden sideshow. Given the fact that the US government has been caught red-handed scripting tales of pure fiction in order to justify the war on terror, notably in the cases of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman, why on earth should we believe them now?

10) Despite the fact that Obama announced last Sunday on live television that the world was now “safer” because Bin Laden was dead, his administration, with the aid of the fearmongering mass media, instantly seized upon the situation to terrify Americans into being afraid of imminent “reprisal” terror attacks inside the United States, later claiming that Bin Laden had formulated an “aspirational rather than operational” plan to derail US trains that travel over 500mph, although no trains in the US can actually travel at such speeds. This led “terror experts” to salivate over how TSA agents were now needed in shopping malls to stick their hands down Americans’ pants, while New York Senator Chuckie Schumer called for the no fly list to be expanded to trains and subways. Obama hurried to ground zero for a photo op as he desperately tried to use the Bin Laden hoax to whip up phony patriotism as a means of boosting his flagging poll numbers. Others, like Democrat Bill Richardson, exploited the situation to try and push through policies that had no connection to Bin Laden or terrorism at all, like cap and trade. The haste with which the whole Bin Laden fable was exploited for political points scoring and as a psychological ploy to return Americans to a post-9/11 state of intellectual castration was painfully transparent, clearly suggesting that the entire farce was planned well in advance to achieve precisely those goals in the run up to 2012.


DNA evidence of Bin Laden has been released by the US Govt with a reading of 24% cocoa, 52% coconut, 18% sugar, and 6% milk.

Experts say this is probably due to the bounty on his head
 
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seandelier

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Will check out ta :thumbsup:

It is the quintessential book about Al qaeda.

That Steve Pieczenik's credentials would seem to check out, unless you mean Alex Jones ?

Anyone who goes on Alex Jones is suspect straight away. And yes, he is a fantasist who has bummed up his CV. Just another Charlie Sheen type nutjob. The facts you listed are nonsense. A wee bit of critical thinking shows most to be uttter claptrap. Dont be sucked down that rabbithole. You are better than that.

Bottom line does no-one else smell a rat - the official story has exploded like a fucking Sony Bravia ad, but instead of a paint rainbow, it's uniformly coloured shit.

This always happens with things like this. He is dead, thats all that matters. AQ have admitted it, his family have admitted it. Who gives a rats arse how he died. He didnt think too mch about the near 3000 who died in the US on 911.