Big f@@k off mosque!!!

[easty]

Nah, it's the usual cop out answer!

no its not its quits simple, its not a cop out, i believe in god, religion is a load of shite.
Whats caused more wars and more deaths in this world? religion.
Now if there is no god and no ones got any proof there is really then how much of a fukking waste of life is that

 

[Danny C]

Now if there is no god and no ones got any proof there is really then how much of a fukking waste of life is that

Ha ha LOL!!

 

[Jiglo]

no its not its quits simple, its not a cop out, i believe in god, religion is a load of shite.
Whats caused more wars and more deaths in this world? religion.
Now if there is no god and no ones got any proof there is really then how much of a fukking waste of life is that

That's not acually true though, few if any religious doctrines have told anybody to go to war. Most religions stand for peace not war.

Therefore other factors cause wars!

It's the classic cop out answer that is never backed up by substantial evidence:S

 

[ilovepiano]

Why the frig is the largest Mosque in Europe to be built in England anyway, regardless of who is paying for it? Surely it would be better having it in Turkey or something...

 

[Shooms]

If I think about the wider issue then the old Vicar Of Dibley image of England I love is dying. It's a real shame and I think it's sad that rebels in the muslim community forced their own heritage into our lives faster that in other western countries and started to diuted the way of life that I grew up with but for others in other regions.

I know village life in the sticks isn't directly linked to a mega mosque in London, but it's the start of the tipping point from whence there's no going back. Their faith is taking over the world and one day instead of the churchbell ringing on a sunday morning that I grew up with, we'll have chanting 5 times a day like they have in muslim countries.

Being the biggest place of worship in Europe too sends a very strong message that I don't want. We might not be Christians as a nation, but christians are non threatening to my way of life, but the muslim faith might one day be.

If the plans were for a Swiss, German, Italian, or French city then it would just be a pipe dream and never get beyond planning stage, but thanks to our weak politicians and council leaders trying not to upset the muslim demographic in particular and less worried about protecting our own heritage then this will probably pass to the building stage, cost far more than the estimate, then have the British taxper pay the extra which will probably be at least double the original estimate for the project.

Now THAT is the best post on this thread imo... at least it resonates most with me...

A mans religion (or not as the case may be) is his own affair... but if you live in this country you are British 1st & foremost...& should be PROUD to be so... if you disagree then you know where the Dover ferries are... get the fuck out of my country.

 

[easty]

That's not acually true though, few if any religious doctrines have told anybody to go to war. Most religions stand for peace not war.

Therefore other factors cause wars!

It's the classic cop out answer that is never backed up by substantial evidence:S

racists are knobeads full stop, religion is a load of shite. I was christened a catholic, was an altar boy, I was brain washed with it from an early age.
At the end of the day, u can take away all religion and idiots would still fight and maim and kill as racists are small minded bigots

 

[Jiglo]

Why the frig is the largest Mosque in Europe to be built in England anyway, regardless of who is paying for it? Surely it would be better having it in Turkey or something...

It's probably mainly about creating a very strong message to Europeans and creating a massive central base for future projects and funding :|

 

[betty spaghetti]

Betty personally i would be ashamed to be a member of the BNP but thats my opinion. Always makes me chuckle the BNP version of being "British". If you believe in a better Britain for the "British" then what makes BNP supporters any different than 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Asian families or the Afro Caribbean communities who have resided in this country for 300 years - all have the same concerns as you do (anti social behavior, a better NHS, improved education, better policing). The BNP are the sort of morons who give Britain a bad name - the sort of brainless narrow minded wankers who call everyone from the Asian sub continent Paki's, accuse every muslim of supporting Bin Laden and think all black men are drug dealers. Vote BNP and take the country back 30 years.....The argument here is about a religious belief, ie: a mosque - a centre of religious worship - thats where people like the BNP fall down and can't differentiate between religion and race :|

As an atheist, I have to agree with Amelie I couldn't give a toss if its built or not, but if it is built, lets hope its a building where people such as Nick Griffin (BNP leader) can go and educate themselves on the rights of different cultures to live there lives as they choose to do so

fair play danny, your opinion, i respect it. each to their own, i for one have not mentioned the word paki, dont class black men as drug dealers, dont think all asians are in support of bin laden, so i feel thats being a bit stereotypical towards the members BNP(granted there are some members of the bnp, that let the true supporters down)

you say bnp cant differentiate the difference between religion and race, its suggested that you are confusing the bnps manifesto with that of the neo nazi extremists national front

 

[easty]

Now THAT is the best post on this thread imo... at least it resonates most with me...

A mans religion (or not as the case may be) is his own affair... but if you live in this country you are British 1st & foremost...& should be PROUD to be so... if you disagree then you know where the Dover ferries are... get the fuck out of my country.

im not british , im english. Im not proud to be english, i get on better with the scots and irish than i do with cockneys and its not your country
you had absolutely no choice or say or anything to do with where your born so why r u proud, u have not achieved out have you

 

[Jiglo]

racists are knobeads full stop, religion is a load of shite. I was christened a catholic, was an altar boy, I was brain washed with it from an early age.
At the end of the day, u can take away all religion and idiots would still fight and maim and kill as racists are small minded bigots

Which was kinda the point I was making re religion - not being the cause but the scapegoat for all arguements there'll ever be about religion.

 

[betty spaghetti]

Now THAT is the best post on this thread imo... at least it resonates most with me...

A mans religion (or not as the case may be) is his own affair... but if you live in this country you are British 1st & foremost...& should be PROUD to be so... if you disagree then you know where the Dover ferries are... get the fuck out of my country.

Shooms I think I love you

 

[ikontraband]

no its not its quits simple, its not a cop out, i believe in god, religion is a load of shite.
Whats caused more wars and more deaths in this world? religion.
Now if there is no god and no ones got any proof there is really then how much of a fukking waste of life is that

very true , most of the sensless wars inc BOSNIA , N/IRELAND , MIDDLE EAST , AFRICA , ect ect are all down to a religion issue , what a waste of time, money and more importantly human lives:S

and another thing !! those 2 faced yanks hide behind a so called christian faith now to defend thier actions eleswhere in the world , f**k them b*stards too , soon as 911 happened the millions they sent in gun money to the IRA dried up in n/ireland when they actally realisied they was paying terrorists to kill our soldiers n police + kids in warrington ,

:$ now im off into to hiding before lisa see's what ive written , LOL


"ohh and Archer with his shoe polished souls of his feet and his strict vegitarian stance in SCUM is the way forward for all of us , GENIUS

 

[Jiglo]

very true , most of the sensless wars inc BOSNIA , N/IRELAND , MIDDLE EAST , AFRICA , ect ect are all down to a religion issue , what a waste of time, money and more importantly human lives:S

and another thing !! those 2 faced yanks hide behind a so called christian faith now to defend thier actions eleswhere in the world , f**k them b*stards too , soon as 911 happened the millions they sent in gun money to the IRA dried up in n/ireland when they actally realisied they was paying terrorists to kill our soldiers n police + kids in warrington ,

:$ now im off into to hiding before lisa see's what ive written , LOL


"ohh and Archer with his shoe polished souls of his feet and his strict vegitarian stance in SCUM is the way forward for all of us , GENIUS

Well the War Audit think tank set up to examine the link between religion and war states that in most cases other factors are the prime cause

 

[Amelie]

Shooms I think I love you

Hang on, he is disagreeing with you though!

Your argument is that they should not be allowed to have mosques, he is that they can but should view themselves as British.

Again, you're getting mixed up with what it means to be British and forced religion.

 

[Shooms]

im not british , im english. Im not proud to be english, i get on better with the scots and irish than i do with cockneys and its not your country
you had absolutely no choice or say or anything to do with where your born so why r u proud, u have not achieved out have you

I am British by birth, English by the grace of God & I love my country & all it stands for. Or at least used to stand for.

Being born British is like winnning the lottery of life in my opinion

However the ideal that is Britishness or Englishness is slowly dying & more worryingly... being ALLOWED to die...

There will be a backlash against this & I fear that old Enoch may be right...

Are you saying that National Identity is meaningless to you Easty ? Do you not get hairs on the back of your neck prickle up when you hear Jerusalem ?

 

[amymars]

Amy - I despair I really do. So lets get this straight according to your stats and your interpretation of being a muslim, a new mosque will essentially amount to an terrorist training school? Its all a big conspiracy then? Bin Laden is sat in his cave saying... "I know lets build a £100 million pound mosque in central London because we can use it as a terrorist recruitment centre"..

:

where did I say any of that?

I do religion at university and got a 1st in my Islam course. I know my shit. I know that lots of Muslims are fundementalists. I know that they meet in universities, community centres, and Mosques amoungst other places. This will be a massive mosque. Muslims will go there, some to pray, some to meet other muslims, and some to get in touch with other extremists, and some will recruit terrorists on the sly. That is my problem. Its asking for trouble.

 

[Shooms]

Hang on, he is disagreeing with you though!

Your argument is that they should not be allowed to have mosques, he is that they can but should view themselves as British.

Again, you're getting mixed up with what it means to be British and forced religion.

lol semantics... I love Betty too... not because of her political views but because I've heard she's got great tits

 

[amymars]

people have to be very careful when basically implying that you cannot have a mosque without having extremists meet there

its like saying all irish folks are terrorists, its generalising and stereotyping and, quite frankly, incredibly stupid

What other religion aims to recruit and convert in the same way that Islam does? I can't find any other than the extremist baptists in America....and this is Britain. There will be a percentage of extremists in all mosques, and I'd stake my life on it.

 

[betty spaghetti]

Hang on, he is disagreeing with you though!

Your argument is that they should not be allowed to have mosques, he is that they can but should view themselves as British.

Again, you're getting mixed up with what it means to be British and forced religion.

i was reading his post as...if you dont like it, then feck off...which is what i think, coming over here wanting to live the british way, ie use the education system, use the national health system... well why cant they use our churches and stop building mosques? instead they build their own little communities and keep themselves to them selves, if they want to live the 'british way' why do that ???

i would love to live in a world where there was no relgion-it would be a better place, most wars have been started/blamed in the name of religion...if we didnt have it, i wouldnt feel this way...put it this way i wouldnt go to an islamic country wearing a bikini giving it all hail mary and preaching about jesus,-its not thier custom/beliefs . neither are mosques in britain.

im not forcing religion on no one-each to their own in that, i just dont think having a country full of mosques is the way forward, hows about a new 100M super hospital instead or a super school etc....why a mosque...why not a buddhist temple or a synagogue for the jewish...why another mosque and why one so big???

 

[Jonno]

What other religion aims to recruit and convert in the same way that Islam does? I can't find any other than the extremist baptists in America....and this is Britain. There will be a percentage of extremists in all mosques, and I'd stake my life on it.

Just as there would have been a percentage of nationalists within an Irish community.

Should everyone be tarred with the same brush though?