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Mr Radish

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Sheikh Yerbouti said:
Neither is ours... but ours at least goes back that far... Look back more than 300 years in Oz or American history & the place shared nothing in common with those countries today.


My point exactly...



Well they're hardly likely to admit it are they :S


Nope, I denote a difference in heritage, that's all. Brits are no different to anyone else.

That doesn't define national identity though... That's like saying all Brits are the same and all are different from all Americans which is bollocks. I share more in common with some Americans than I do with some Brits.


Given the way British people typically "celebrate Britishness" I see nothing positive in it whatsoever. Like Ed says I see it causing far more harm than good.


Very true, but by comparison with other nations, throughout history we have been fairly morally & ethically advanced.


So why do you condone it? And how do you define "over the top"? That's the problem, it's a can of worms & as soon as you open it, some people somewhere will take it to extremes and thats when the problems start.
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Chris, you appear to have missed the vibe of what I was saying, in parts completely misunderstood my note, in others judged my sentiments by the worst side of patriotism and in some cases completely misrepresented me.

Even when I agreed with you, you pulled me apart for condoning over the top patriotism when I was doing exactly the opposite.

I often agree with you mate, but sometimes I feel you don't even read some posts properly and just switch to a default defensive mode, where you will not accept any weakness or inaccuracy in one of your posts.

I suggest you re-read my post mate and see what I was trying to say, rather than reading what I was not saying.

Nowt personal, just had to say that. Also the reply to Seandelier was a little harsh in my opinion.
 
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Mr Radish said:
Chris, you appear to have missed the vibe of what I was saying, in parts completely misunderstood my note, in others judged my sentiments by the worst side of patriotism and in some cases completely misrepresented me.

Even when I agreed with you, you pulled me apart for condoning over the top patriotism when I was doing exactly the opposite.

I often agree with you mate, but sometimes I feel you don't even read some posts properly and just switch to a default defensive mode, where you will not accept any weakness or inaccuracy in one of your posts.

I suggest you re-read my post mate and see what I was trying to say, rather than reading what I was not saying.

Nowt personal, just had to say that. Also the reply to Seandelier was a little harsh in my opinion.
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LOL I don't see how you can claim I didn't read what you'd written, considering that it was directly quoted on several occasions.

As for "default defensive mode"... I'll defend my views & arguments of course, isn't that the essence of debating a topic?

Given your last post, I rather think you are the one who has "gone defensive" here. I was just expanding on points I'd made earlier which you refuted.

Of course you are completely entitled to your opinion, as am I.
 
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your place of birth is an accident and i think we should be citizens of the world first. after all we are all people, for good or bad, wherever we happen to come from. that said i do have pride in my country. both england and the uk.
i'm proud of our music, our history (tho not all of it) our literature ,the way we and our "insecure" colonial cousins stood up to the nazis in wwII. i'm proud of how we assimilate people into this country and absorb elements of other cultures. i'm proud of how britain is seen as a beacon of fair play around the world (not sure if we still are tho) ours is a great country and we are all lucky to be here and should count our blessings.
RULE BRITTANIA AND GOD SAVE THE QUEEN:D
 
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Chris,

I never said you did not read my note. I said that sometimes I feel you don't always read notes properly.

You did misrepresent me.

I agree that defending your views is part of a debate. However, a good debate should see both parties shifting as the arguments sway opinion.

As for going defensive. I agree with you, I did (well actually I may have gone offensive). I felt that my post and what I was trying to say had been misinterpreted and pulled apart line by line. I wanted to make it clear that your reply did not tie in with my feelings, that was all.

I hope I respect most views on this board and rarely offend people. If and when I do, I would be the first person to hold my hands up and apologise.

I have in the past posted something and then realised I was wrong, mistaken or poorly informed.

LOL as a reply in cases like this is poor. I'm not sure it's way a face to face debate would work.


You are a nice bloke, clearly intelligent and a good contributor to any debate mate.

All I ask is for a little understanding and acceptance that you may have taken my post out of context and allow me to set the record straight, without fear of any reply been carved up.:thumbsup:
 
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Mr Radish said:
Chris,

I never said you did not read my note. I said that sometimes I feel you don't always read notes properly.

You did misrepresent me.

I agree that defending your views is part of a debate. However, a good debate should see both parties shifting as the arguments sway opinion.

As for going defensive. I agree with you, I did (well actually I may have gone offensive). I felt that my post and what I was trying to say had been misinterpreted and pulled apart line by line. I wanted to make it clear that your reply did not tie in with my feelings, that was all.

I hope I respect most views on this board and rarely offend people. If and when I do, I would be the first person to hold my hands up and apologise.

I have in the past posted something and then realised I was wrong, mistaken or poorly informed.

LOL as a reply in cases like this is poor. I'm not sure it's way a face to face debate would work.


You are a nice bloke, clearly intelligent and a good contributor to any debate mate.

All I ask is for a little understanding and acceptance that you may have taken my post out of context and allow me to set the record straight, without fear of any reply been carved up.:thumbsup:
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If I did misrepresent you then i apologise. Not quite sure how that could have happened given that i quoted you verbatim, but you obviously feel wronged in some way. Of course you are completely at liberty to "set the record straight".
 
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Do one Mongy, or you will get it as well!
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Sheikh Yerbouti said:
Ah grand scale hypocrisy... excellent! :D

"No such thing as Britishness but nothing wrong with being patriotic about your country or nation" <--- contradiction in terms.
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explain the contradiction.

STB said:
"Yanks kicked the British ass. Something to be very proud of in my opinion."...
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They took back their country, they should be very proud of a fight for independance just like we should be proud of the two world wars we fought to keep our freedoms.

SYB said:
"I am very proud of my country"...
Your country is Britain and you are British. You are proud the Yanks kicked your country's ass, yet you love your country. :S
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I am proud of my country. My country is Scotland. It is part of Great Britain. My country is not Britain. I am proud of India in their struggles for freedom from the british empoire because the british empire was a disgrace. I am proud of any countries struggle for independance.

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All this "My country is Scotland" is total shite. You just want to be British when it suits you & Scottish when it doesn't.

Hypocrite.
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I am scottish and will always be scottish. I do not want to be and will never be british. Scotland came before Britain. The original britons were the welsh.

Do you practice at being a dick?
 
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Sheikh Yerbouti said:
Not sure that's logically consistent to be honest, but if it makes you happy.
Sounds a bit like insecurity to me...
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ha ha, nice edit.

Logic does not come into it. I am scottish. You seem to have the problem with folk not wanting to be british, that smacks of insecurity also. Scotland may be part of Britain but that does not mean I have to agree with that.

Same as some folk do not feel european and wish the UK was not part of the EU. If thats how they feel well good on them.

I am not going to come on and start attacking them personally becaue of it.
 
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I think there has to be pride for the country you live in-or u'll never want to do good by it, but also humility...or you'll be arrogant and the things you do, will not be for the best...

I love my country-as it has shaped me into who i am...i don't know what to say apart from that. everyone has a strong opinion on this subject it seems...and for once, im in a non-opinionated mood :cops:


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